Tell us about yourselves and your careers. How did you get to Vera?
Michelle Parris: As a Black and Latina woman who grew up in New York City, I started my career as a public defender in the Bronx, where my fellow community members of color were deeply impacted by the city’s systematic investment in the criminal legal system and disinvestment in services that would help people thrive. I represented so many clients with mental health conditions whose lives would have been very different if our government invested in robust community-based mental health care instead of incarcerating them.
I left that role to expand the reach of my work and address systemic issues, which led me to Vera—first joining the team to help provide legal assistance for detained immigrants with mental health issues, and then supporting efforts in Los Angeles County to end its reliance on incarceration and shift to a “care first” approach. This was the perfect marriage of the work I had been doing for years.
Will Snowden: For five years, I witnessed mostly Black women and men shuffle into New Orleans courtrooms wearing orange sandals, orange jumpsuits, and silver chains. If modern-day slavery had a sound, you’d hear it every day as detained people file into court. Louisiana locks up too many Black people. And that is why I chose to be a public defender in the prison capital of the world. After being a participant-observer in the criminal legal system, an opportunity presented itself to lead Vera's New Orleans office and fight for the same change outside the system.
Jullian Harris-Calvin: My path to Vera began the year I started law school and coincidentally also served on a death penalty jury. I was appalled at the systemic injustices that I saw firsthand as a juror, especially against Black people and communities of color. That experience led to a legal career as a public defender, where I witnessed daily the true impact of our country’s addiction to punishment and incarceration and its impact in the lives of mostly Black, brown, and low-income people. After serving for years as a public defender, I wanted an opportunity to effect systemic change. The shift to policy and advocacy gave me the opportunity to broaden my impact beyond one trial at a time. One aspect of Vera’s work that I find particularly intriguing is our explicit commitment to racial justice. I see our work—mine and Vera’s—as a struggle against the structural racism that continues to plague our democratic republic.
What sets Vera's place-based work apart from some of Vera's other initiatives?
Snowden: We live here. The very community we are part of, along with our family and friends, can either benefit from—or be harmed by—the criminal legal system we pay for as taxpayers. I’m proud of the way Vera has partnered with community organizations, such as the Orleans Parish Prison Reform Coalition, Operation Restoration, and The First 72+ as allies in this work. With these partners, we’re opposing any jail expansion in our city; overseeing a community support release program that assists with transportation, notification, and childcare; and helping those recently released from jail to find shelter through a hotel/motel voucher program. The very nature of place-based work engenders long-term relationships that position us to have established influence, familiarity, and credibility.
Parris: I completely agree with Will. We are part of the community that will be impacted by our work. Because of that, and our ongoing physical presence, we’re able to develop significant relationships with the local actors who create the political will for change, the government officials seeking guidance on how to implement change, and the community members who hold government accountable to its promises. Understanding the local landscape strengthens our analysis of how to effectuate meaningful reforms that will stick.
Harris-Calvin: Living where we work facilitates Vera’s place at the table at each stage of systemic change—from data gathering and assessment; through policy development and execution; all the way to reflection, accountability, and expansion. For example, Vera’s role as a local data and policy hub earned us a seat on the Independent Commission on Criminal Justice and Incarceration Reform, which developed New York City’s plan to close the infamously inhumane and dangerous Rikers Island jail complex. And we are continuing to develop the data scraping, analysis, and visualization tools to assist movement-building organizations and community partners—whose dedicated advocacy efforts helped to pave the way for change—to keep city leaders accountable to that promise and move implementation forward. Our longstanding interdependence not only informs our work but also the entire ecology of people and organizations fighting mass incarceration in our states. And I’m so glad that Michelle, Will, and I get to lean on each other’s place-based expertise as we tackle similar issues in very distinct, dynamic locations.
What are you most excited about for Vera and your place-based work?
Parris: Los Angeles has the largest jail system in the country and deep racial disparities in incarceration rates, with Black people hit the hardest. After powerful advocacy from grassroots groups like the JusticeLA Coalition, the county stopped plans to construct multiple new jails and instead created the Alternatives to Incarceration Work Group. Though there is so much more work to be done to realize the vision, we are starting to see the county implement these recommendations. We are now working with many of the same collaborators on closing the notoriously inhumane Men’s Central Jail within a year. Thinking about the momentum for change that we have in Los Angeles, and what’s now within reach, excites me.
Snowden: I’m excited to explore ways in which our successful work in New Orleans can be replicated in the other 63 parishes throughout the state. On a national level, I'm really excited for Vera to influence movement toward racial justice in our country. We’ve embraced race equity as an organizational value and, to develop a better understanding of the overrepresentation of Black people in jails and prisons, we must connect the dots to the racist policies that contribute to the racial disparities we work to eliminate.
Harris-Calvin: I am very excited about the opportunity for our Greater Justice New York team to build on our recent victories in pretrial reform and decarceration, and to redefine justice in our state. We’re conducting in-depth analyses of budgets and jail spending in every county in New York. And we are examining and identifying community-based opportunities for reinvestment: away from increasingly vacant jails and into evidence-based solutions that improve public safety, like mental health, harm reduction, drug treatment, health, and housing.